John & Ken are currently trying to oust Dreier because of his failure to do anything about illegal immigration. Fully explained here. Unless there's money involved, no one should care about the gay stuff. And, when Dreier loses it will have been because of immigration matters.

I'd love to have a debate about immigration, actually—particularly if the people to my right really seemed to have any concrete suggestions on how to implement their various ideas as to how we can address this. Such as:

1) how to truly seal the borders without quadrupling the size of the U.S. military, and

2) how to get done all the things that are, at present, being done by undocumented workers.

I mean, I get the fairness argument. I get the "the current situation is unsafe in a 9/11 world" idea. I just don't see alternative solutions that are realistic.

The key way to reduce illegal immigration is to drive up the cost of hiring illegally by fining employers. Less work for illegals translates into fewer coming and some of those who are here leaving. That's something that has been done and has worked in the past.

With fewer illegals the work would be done by legal immigrants, U.S. citizens (from other states if necessary), and automation.

Employers are able to choose between serf labor and automation; not having a pool of serfs would make them use automation. Such machines already exist or could be developed. It's not rocket science.

With fewer people coming over the borders, the job of the Border Patrol would be much easier, and detained aliens wouldn't be released due to lack of jail space as now happens.

There are so many jobs now being done by undocumented workers that cannot be automated, and in many cases the employers are simply middle-class people who need people to do gardening and housework, or work as nannies.

We also cannot automate cleaning motel rooms, or busboy work.

And the border is vast; I don't think our unsuccess in patrolling it has as much to do with the quantity of people coming over as with the sheer thousands of miles involved.

I often wonder if the anti-immigrants are part of the prosperity world. I work in an office of 100 people. about half who earn between 80K and 150K annually. I bet each and every person in our office has some kind of positive contact with an illegal every week. A person who mows our lawn. serves our food, cleans our office, alters our clothes. I really don't understand why people hate them so much.

Well, it's an interesting question. For one thing, I do believe genuine xenophobia exists. And I think a lot of people are made uncomfortable by even the smallest difference in cultures, and quickly turn to a "blame the immigrants" attitude.

i honestly think there is a segment of those who argue against "illegals" who dislike Latin Americans, and find it more acceptable to say they are against illegal immigration rather than they hate Mexicans.

But not so fast. There are plenty of people of conscience who are nervous about:

* their perception that our current non-system system is irresponsible in a post-9/11 world;

* their concern that blanket amnesties simply encourage a lot more illegal immigration;

* the fact that money from relatives working under the table here is Mexico's second largest revenue stream, behind only oil;

* the "fairness" issue, e.g., there are people waiting patiently in line to get into this country—how can we, in good conscience, let others jump the line ahead of them?

* the probability that some of these people are voting illegally;

* the possibility/certainty (depending upon whom you talk to) that the existence of this class of people in a sort of legal "limbo" create a drain on social services, especially healthcare providers.

Nonetheless, some people really come on strong on this issue, and there's very often something distasteful about it. There's often a tremendous temptation to ask the Two Big Questions:

1) what would you do if you lived in Mexico or El Salvador and were having trouble getting by, and

2) what is fundamentally wrong with a willing buyer of labor negotiating with a willing sellor? Why does the government need to interfere with this?

I wanted to let you know that I just discovered this blog tonight and I think it's extremely well done.
I don't agree with all you have to say, but...
I'll still be sending some of my forum members over here to check you out.

Good work.

Well, thanks!