March 01, 2005

Who Knew?

While I was out of town earlier this month, two of my favorite bloggers got into a minor war. Of all people, Allahpundit emerged (for a time, at least) as the voice of reason and moderation. How often does that happen?

The original issue, as I understand it, had to do with Lt. Gen. James Mathis' infamous off-the-cuff remarks:

"Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot," Mattis said, prompting laughter from some military members in the audience. "It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling.

"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."

Faced with the Patterico-Andrea Harris kerfuffle, many bloggers stepped quietly away, muttering to themselves about how they were late for an appointment, or needed to wash their hair, or tweeze their eyebrows, or . . . something.

Which is exactly what I would have done.

For what it's worth, the dispute—for many—appeared to hinge on whether one thought the term wife-beating meant exactly that, or whether it was a euphemism for the misogynistic streak in many Islamists, often expressed by brutal murders. That is: does wife beating mean wife beating, or does is it shorthand for "killing women whose ankles we once glimpsed, or who were the victims of rape"?

I tend toward the latter interpretation myself, and wonder whether Patterico's legal training might have lent him a teensy blind spot, a small sliver of literal-mindedness. Though I certainly laud his mental discipline in evaluating a statement on the basis of what's in that statement: a good thing in most cases.

I'm glad I try to steer clear of blog wars. They are good for one's traffic, but not necessarily good for one's soul.

Personally, I'd love it if we all spoke to one another as if they were standing there in front of us in a friend's family room, and everyone had a Diet Coke, glass of wine, beer, or snack in his/her hand.

Yup: I'm a regular hippie chick most of the time.

And, by the way: it would be great if we could steer clear both of lethal threats and of legal action against one another. Together: Kumbayah, my Lord, Kumbayah . . . .

[Dons kevlar vest, and runs, zigzag-style, toward the nearest cover.]

Posted by Attila at March 1, 2005 07:22 AM
Comments

Allah tried to be a peacemaker once before, stepping into the middle of a "kerfuffle" between Michele of ASV and Bill of INDC a while I ago... I should know, I gave 'em each 20 bucks so that they could iron out their differences over a "vitual drink" (I think they each bought some cheap beer and pocketed the rest).

Posted by: JFH at March 1, 2005 11:04 AM


He and I once got into a small dispute over at Michele's site, but it ended without too much bloodshed. It certainly didn't blow up the way I've seen these things go in the past.

Posted by: Attila Girl at March 1, 2005 02:33 PM


Generals who speak like that should leave the military immediately. His statements raise the tension level and provoke the armed opposition to take violent action against the people under his command.

Posted by: Collin Baber at March 4, 2005 11:33 PM


He got too relaxed, felt like he was among friends, considered it a sort of joke.

Bad news.

Posted by: Attila Girl at March 5, 2005 12:29 AM


Andrea Harris is one of your favorite bloggers?

Oh, well.

Your comment window says: "Remember: Be polite. Attack ideas, not people." Harris's original post said, "fuck you, Patticakes" (later changed to "fuck you, Patterico" -- because, Harris explained, "Patticakes" was "just not up to [her] preferred level of invective"!).

Then she pretended to feel threatened when Xrlq made a joke about how she should be kicked off the Internet.

FWIW, I eventually moderated my position on Mattis's comments -- after reading views of bloggers who somehow managed to disagree with me without telling me to fuck myself. I still think his comments were a mistake, but I have backed off my original position that he should be punished severely.

http://patterico.com/2005/02/17/2671/hopefully-final-thoughts-on-mattis/

I have heard a lot of good things about Gen. Mattis and I have respect for him. I can't say the same about Andrea Harris, who was sometimes a chest-beater, sometimes a whiner -- but almost always shrill, insulting, unpleasant, and juvenile.

Talk to Xrlq for more details.

Posted by: Patterico at March 7, 2005 09:07 PM


One more thing: people who read this post and don't know the background should know that I did not (even arguably) engage in either lethal threats or legal action, and that you're not referring to me when you talk about that.

Posted by: Patterico at March 7, 2005 09:52 PM


Btw, thanks for calling me one of your favorite bloggers!

Posted by: Patterico at March 7, 2005 09:53 PM


Here's is what Patterico referred to:

http://xrlq.com/2005/02/09/2156/blogtard-of-the-day-andrea-harris/
http://victorysoap.us/archives/2005/02/mistake_of_the.php
http://victorysoap.us/archives/2005/02/message_to_xluu.php

Posted by: Xrlq at March 7, 2005 10:08 PM




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