might want so start somewhere realistic in dealing with the immigration issue

[typical argument]
You must be La Raza!!!1! All the illegals are the dregs of society and are killing all the children! Deport them all now! You La Raza-lover!
[/typical argument]

You ever think this whole country has just gone completely mad, left AND right?

How about some elements in the new plan that makes it MORE UNLIKELY to happen in the future?

1) Higher penalties ($) for those that broke the law. Penalty should be based on the length of time here. Higher future tax rates?

2) People whose identities (SS #s) were stolen (10-30 million of us--fake nos. are caught immediately, as are deceased taxpayer's)--get to keep contributions made by illegals.

3) Children of illegals are NO Longer automatic citizens. Children of LEGAL aliens are, when born here.

4) No voting for illegals. Ever. You took away our choice, we take away your voice.

5) Start a rumor than illegals' organs are fair game for transplant surgeons. And CIA Chupacabras.

Change "than" to "that" above in No. 5 ...

Darrell - We were promised "enforcement" in 1986 as well. You guys want to tell me how wonderfully that worked out?

Fool me once, same on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Self-evident truths--

If Ted Kennedy is involved in an immigration bill, it is a piece of crap.

What's the rush? Go back to the drawing board and come up with something that at least appears to offer a solution. 1986 was the one-time "feel good" compassionate solution. This time it has to be tough love. And any legislator that facilitates breaking the current law should face immediate charges and jail time.

Oh, and that fence idea? Go back to the drawing board on that, too. Come up with something that $10 Chinese bolt cutters won't make ineffective.

Oh, and a note to Jimmy Carter--

Silly! You can't pass your title of being "the worst American President EVER" yourself! That's our job! You'll always be Number 1 in our hearts!

Btw, I hope you've considered cremation as a means of foiling the subterranean, un-dead, tunneling bunnies. As an 'engineer,' I'm sure you have. Contact me and we'll compare notes.