November 23, 2007

So, What Do We Call Those Muslims (Or "Perverters of Islam," If You Prefer)

. . . who are trying to kill us?

Timothy Ash of The Guardian makes the linguistic case against "Islamofascists," and argues that "Islamists" describes those who advocate through peaceful means for repressive systems such as Sharia law, whereas the term "Jihadis" should be reserved for those who murder in Allah's name.

I've been using "fuckin' assholes," but I've been cautioned that this lacks precision.

h/t: Memeorandum.

UPDATE: Dr. D. suggests in the comments that all "real Muslims" believe everything in the Koran—in a very literal way. Does that mean that all real Christians believe that every word in the Bible is literally true? Does it mean all real Jews believe everything in the Torah is literally true? Because I have a few challenging passages for you, if that's the case.

Furthermore, Dr. D. would like to see this country "Muslim-frei." Not only do I not particularly want that—I find the very proposal scarier than the Jihadis, or whatever we've decided to call them.

But Brian Micklethwait seems to agree that it's the religion itself we need to denounce. I still don't see it: I'd rather wage war on a few hundred people who want to kill me, or a few thousand people who want to convert me by force, rather than a few billion who don't care one way or another what I'm doing and are perfectly indifferent to whether I wear shorts, or whether my gay friends are living with their boyfriends, or whether I believe that Jesus was, in fact, the Christ.

As for those who love to ironically discuss "the religion of peace," you enjoy that. Me, I'd like to know whether, in point of fact, "they will know we are Christians by our love." Not always, boys and girls. And I'm not discussing the Middle Ages here, either.

I'd like to clean my own house before I see to other faiths' own Reformations. And by that, I mean The House of Joy McCann. There is plenty to be done in it—physically, metaphorically, spiritually, emotionally.

And so I shall leave the religious wars to others. Have at it, kids.

Posted by Attila Girl at November 23, 2007 05:25 AM | TrackBack

I would argue against "jihadi". As I recall, jihad means "to struggle against", so it's usage can range from "I am in jihad against my sinful nature" to "I'm going to kill those heathen Americans".

"Fuckin' assholes" is indeed imprecise. I have been accused of, and likely guilty of, assholery. But I've never desired to chop off LMA's head. Yah, I know, a character flaw, but I'm funny that way.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 23, 2007 08:02 AM

I think it is quite adequte to simply describe them all as just muzlims. We need to remember that every last one of them is under an obligation to bring us under subjection to Izlam. Some will resort to violence while others may not, but they all have that same obligation just by virtue of being muzlims.

A second item to consider is that they essentially have no way out. Izlam does not allow people to leave. The penalty for leaving Izlam is death, and this penalty is enforced worldwide. There are a few who do leave, but they then live in fear for their lives. Those who want to live peacefully usually just keep a low profile, but then they are still muzlims. When the time comes, if it looks like their side is winning, they are apt to decide it is time to stand up and be counted for allah.

For this reason, we need to demand that every last muzlim be deported from the USA. We must not allow any muzlims to remain in the US. This is much more than a religion; it is a subversive political movement that is out to overthrow our way of life. It cannot be allowed to remain within our country. It is like a cancer eating away at us, and the only way to survive cancer is to get rid of it, all of it. You can't leave a little and expect to have the long term cure. All muzlims have to go, beginning NOW!!

Posted by: Dr.D at November 23, 2007 09:08 AM

Don't most religions contain an exhortation to the faithful to bring unbelievers into the fold? The New Testament is very clear that Christians have this obligation.

Even twelve-step programs, despite the Tradition of "attraction, rather than promotion," recommend reaching out to other people with the same compulsion (alcohol, food, sick relationships, dysfunctional relations with money). That is, in fact, the Twelth Step.

I'm just wondering whether we should be getting rid of anyone, of any faith, who's done any missionary work /oureach / proselytizing whatsoever.

After all, it's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Attila Girl at November 23, 2007 12:53 PM

Don't most religions contain an exhortation to the faithful to bring unbelievers into the fold? The New Testament is very clear that Christians have this obligation.

Yes, true. But there's a vast difference between shaking the dust from one's sandals, and offering someone a convert or die, infidel. Yes?

As for Dr. D's idea at throwing the lot of 'em out, I would tend to disagree. However they should be aware that they will encounter people in the USofA who they will find offensive, either in manner of dress, speech, or behaviour. Just Deal With It.

And if they can't, they can go back from whence they came. Much like Californians, they seem to be really happy to escape from a certain environment, and then attempt to change their new environment to be just like what they left. Puzzling, but true.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 24, 2007 01:15 PM

Are we talking about Jackson Hole, Wyoming, again? ;)

Not all Muslims do this—just as not all Californians do it.

It isn't my impression that Muslims in the U.S. are really high on bringing Sharia law over here, or trying to get a separate legal system used for their crimes, vs. ours. I know that immigrants to Western European countries do that on a regular basis, but I just don't see much of it here (aside from a very tiny lunatic fringe). Most immigrants here are happy to live in a pluralistic society, and there really isn't an expectation that this country will "roll over" to silly demands, as some of the European countries have appeared on the cusp of doing.

Hence, "America Alone," (not that I agree with all of Steyn's premises, of course).

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