February 04, 2008

"The Other McCain"

Stacy has a nice clip up of Tammy Bruce making mincemeat out of Bob Beckel.

I think Tammy may be out of the closet now . . . as a conservative. I know, I know: she didn't leave the Democratic Party. As with so many people before her, it was the Party that moved.

Did I ever tell y'all about the day Tammy bought me breakfast? It was perfectly innocent, I assure you. Unfortunately.

Speaking of Matters Most Superficial: I have mixed emotions about those glasses The Tamster is wearing. I think I may prefer the glamour-doll Tammy over the bespectacled one. But I myself prefer to wear glasses (not that I have beauty to spare . . . I'm probably simply hiding).

And Tammy's glasses do lend a certain nerdy charm. Hard to pick. Fortunately, I'm married, and largely straight . . . so I guess it ain't my call.

With Tammy, of course, it doesn't matter whether or not she telegraphs her intellect in advance: she always wins. And she does it honestly, without resorting to the trick that various media whores (male and female!) employ.

Did I say media whores? I meant, Fourth Estate prostitutes.

Posted by Attila Girl at February 4, 2008 11:48 PM | TrackBack

hi attagirl,

i hope you don't mind my taking liberties with your nom-de-plume; "little miss" risks being seen as condescending (worse, sexually condescending), and "attila girl" is just too formal.

did you know that attila is recorded as having died on what was presumably one of his several wedding nights? various conservative sources have it that he died of a nose-bleed and that his new bride was found in the morning cowering in a corner of the bed-chamber.

an intriguing account, albeit relatively modern, has it that attila forced marrage on a young woman named ildico after having killed her father. this account has ildico taking revenge on attila who, presumably, was not too sober after the wedding festivities.

all accounts agree that attila died on his wedding night. assertions and circumstances suggest that he died of a knife wound.

attila was buried on a plain. his horde is said to have marched over his grave to conceal it. to this day we do not know where it is.

returning to the moment:

my first impression of tammy bruce is that she has a good head on her shoulders.

my second impression is that those who she writes for are well served.

i am constantly impressed with the fact that these are amazing times.

this from someone who identifies himself as being so far left he's right.

best regards,

alan m.
ny ny

Posted by: alan at February 5, 2008 08:23 AM

Alan M., it would be a capital idea to hit that "PayPal Donate" button (to the left, above) during LMA's fund drive.

All accounts? Only Marcellinus Comes (Count Marcellinus) relates that tale, sixty years after the fact. Priscus of Panium has him dying of natural causes. Emperor Marcian was not on the grassy knoll that, or any other day.

Posted by: Darrell at February 5, 2008 09:03 AM

I'll answer to AttaGirl. In fact, I once attended a convention using the "company name" "Attila Girl Enterprises," which someone mistook for "Atta Girl." That works, too.

Thanks for the research on my namesake, boys.

Posted by: Attila Girl at February 5, 2008 11:42 AM

hello darrell,

i am not a scholar of late western roman times, but i am generally interested. i can find no reference that has priscus saying attila did not die on his wedding night.

can you point me to a source for that?

i should have prefixed my assertion of "all sources" with 'as far as i know', but i was relying on my memory of a brief look into the matter 6 or more years ago and that memory had it 'all sources'. now, looking further, i see the nibelungenlied and the eddas have something to say about how attila died. although centuries within an oral tradition, and of uncertain evolution into writing, i think i clearly have it the nibelungenlied and and the norse eddas all agree that attila was killed by his wife to avenge a death.

the interesting thing to me about those traditions is that they don't rely on the written word of one man, or as in this case, the differing words of two men, in the matter.

the broad dissemination of that death into the hands of at least several masters of oral traditions, entered into those traditions free of the biases of the evolving empire as expressed by two men.

interesting stuff.

elsewhere, i'm sorry... aside from being something of a lower-case sort, i have to ask, what is the fund-drive about?

hello attagirl! :)

you like the name attagirl! good. so do i. i like serviceable ambiguity.

elsewhere i must say that i know i have a grin on. while she may well have had a man's measure, i don't believe a girl of those times, however strong, would have called (at least one) man a boy without certain protection accompanying the wish to do so.

one could look at you, in what one might think to be a barbarian gentlemanly sort of way, and ask himself 'what is this girl in for?'

what do you think she, without having heard a sound yet aware that that question had been asked, would answer to herself?


best regards to you both,

alan m.
ny ny

Posted by: alan m. at February 6, 2008 12:52 AM

I'm not disputing the "dying on his wedding night" part. It's the "...assertions and circumstances suggest that he died of a knife wound" part. And the "after having killed her father" part. The only contemporaneous words associated with Ildico are "that she was reknowned for her beauty." Any additional words would then be motivated to provide, say, a rationale for murder(revenge), rather than a death from natural causes.

In the only contemporaneous description, Attila was found dead with blood around his mouth and nose with no visible wounds("unwounded"). How can we not trust those witnesses who then " as is the custom of that race, they cut off part of their hair and disfigured their faces horribly with deep wounds so that the distinguished warrior might be bewailed, not with feminine lamentations and tears, but with manly blood. "?

"I am always surprised that historians still use the old saw about Attila the Hun dying of a nosebleed. The probability of this being true is extemely unlikely. The MUCH more likely scenario is: 'esophageal varices'. It seems most historians haven't bothered to consult an ER doc or a pathologist.

Attila's death is a CLASSIC scenario for this event: a night of heavy drinking for a chronic heavy drinker. Chronic alcoholism leads to acid reflux disease which culminates eventually in esophageal varices rupturing. This is VERY common, in fact the public doesn't realize it, but this is the number one cause of death for chronic drinkers, NOT liver disease, which is number two.

Essentially we are talking about a hemmorrhoid, only at the bottom of the esophagus instead of the rectum. When they rupture the victim drowns in his own blood, coughing and spitting up blood from mouth and nose. They usually die before getting a transfusion.

I think it is safe to say that Attila was a heavy, chronic drinker; most of the military men (and a helluva lot of other people) were in ancient days. Blood transfusions, of course, were not available."

Tom Utterback,

Posted by: Darrell at February 6, 2008 02:07 PM

In the "Niebelungenlied"(a Middle High German epic poem written about 1200) Ildico became Kiemhilde and Attila Etzel. One would expect a certain creative license to be taken with the facts in such a poem, true? Not to mention the 747 years. And the events in another famous person's life. One where we would add "PBUH" after every mention.

Since the LMA Blog counts for graduate credit at so many universities, I would suggest adding:

Thompson, E.A., "A History of Attila and the Huns." Greenwood Press; Westport, CT; 1948

Baldwin, B.,"Priscus of Panium,"Byzantion 50(1980)

Muller, C.,"Fragmenta Historicorum Graecorum, Vol. 4(Paris, 1851)

to your reading list.

Broom Hilda was once married to Attila the Hun , I might add. See your local "daily dead tree" media offering.

Posted by: Darrell at February 6, 2008 02:36 PM

I'm not disputing the "dying on his wedding night" part.


then you missed the period between "... wedding night." and "assertions
and circumstances...".


It's the "...assertions and circumstances suggest that he died of a
knife wound" part. And the "after having killed her father" part. The
only contemporaneous words associated with Ildico are "that she was
reknowned for her beauty." Any additional words would then be motivated
to provide, say, a rationale for murder(revenge), rather than a death
from natural causes.


unless i am mistaken then, your position is that there is no reason to
believe ildico caused attila's death, and that attila probably died of

i think you are right to dismiss a nose-bleed as the cause of attila's
death, and your suggestion of hemorrhage can conceivably account for the
appearance of a nose-bleed.

with the data available and the time available to piece it together, i
cannot say that i am certain that you are wrong, but i believe that you
are wrong.

2,633,124 people were said to be addicted to alcohol in england in 2003.


something less than 1,718 persons died of cirrhosis and fibrosis in england

http://www.britishlivertrust dot org dot uk/home/media-centre/facts-about-liver-disease.aspx

deaths attributable to esophageal varices must be fewer in number than
that due to people of wales being included in the population, as


Not everyone with cirrhosis has varices
and not everyone with varices will bleed.

http://www.britishlivertrust dot org dot uk/content/search.aspx?pid=280&query=esophageal+varices


and esophagel varices not caused by cirrhosis are rare:


The most common cause of esophageal varices is scarring
of the liver. The scarring may be caused by liver disease,
such as cirrhosis. The scarring prevents the normal flow
of blood from the intestines back through the liver. The
blood bypasses the liver, increasing the blood flow into
the veins of the esophagus. As this condition worsens, the
body creates new veins, but these new veins cannot prevent
abnormally high pressures and swelling of the veins. At any
time the veins can break open and cause severe bleeding.

Rarely, esophageal varices are caused by other medical problems.



the number of deaths due to fibrosis and cirrhosis of the liver
in 2005 was 1,718 in a population of 2.6 million or about 1 out
of every 1,513 alcoholics.

unless i've missed something significant, and i don't believe i
have, the odds of 1,513 to 1 against are better than the odds
against attila having died of an esophagel varices hemorrhage.

crediting priscus, the case for variceal hemorage gets worse -
attila practiced personal restraint (an interesting fact that
has one looking again at his reputation):


A luxurious meal, served on silver plate, had been made
ready for us and the barbarian guests, but Attila ate
nothing but meat on a wooden trencher. In everything else,
too, he showed himself temperate - his cup was of wood,
while to the guests were given goblets of gold and silver.
His dress, too, was quite simple, affecting only to be clean

http://www.fordham dot edu/halsall/source/attila1.html


no doubt attila drank at his wedding, but the report of his
personal temperance is at odds with excesses leading to
esophageal varices.

the cause of attila's death is uncertain. contrasting credibility,
priscus has no match, and he is said to have said:


When [attila] had done all these things through the
kindness of fortune, neither by an enemy's wound nor
a friend's treachery but with his nation secure, amid
his pleasures, and in happiness and without sense of
pain he fell. Who then would consider this a death
which no one thinks should be avenged?"



this from a man who is also said to have left us with his fragment 8.

in the presence of even an only somewhat decent gathering of known
detail relating to attila's death, what i understand to be priscus'
last sentence, "Who then would consider this a death which no one
thinks should be avenged?" can give one a deep, deep pause for thought,
and asks answer beyond what i think can reasonably be brought here.


Posted by: alan m. at February 7, 2008 12:44 PM

So, alan, are you sayng that you are NOT going to hit LMA's tip button?

Where else can you find this much mental stimulation without a 'shroom involved?

Posted by: Darrell at February 7, 2008 09:33 PM

Limbo release!

Posted by: Darrell at February 7, 2008 09:35 PM

Share photos on twitter with Twitpic "Let the issues be the issue.

About Joy W. McCann: I've been interviewed for Le Monde and mentioned on Fox News. I once did a segment for CNN on "Women and Guns," and this blog is periodically featured on the New York Times' blog list. My writing here has been quoted in California Lawyer. I've appeared on The Glenn and Helen Show. Oh—and Tammy Bruce once bought me breakfast.
My writing has appeared in
The Noise, Handguns, Sports Afield, The American Spectator, and (it's a long story) L.A. Parent. This is my main blog, though I'm also an alumnus of Dean's World, and I help out on the weekends at Right Wing News.
My political philosophy is quite simple: I'm a classical liberal. In our Orwellian times, that makes me a conservative, though one of a decidedly libertarian bent.

8843.jpg An American Carol rawks!
Main AAC site (Warning: sound-enabled;
trailer starts automatically.)

Buy Blogads from the
Network here.

This is one of the last pix
we took before we left
the house in La Caņada.
I think it's very flattering
to Bathsheba the .357.

"The women of this country learned long ago,
those without swords can still die upon them.
I fear neither death nor pain." —Eowyn, Tolkien's
Lord of the Rings

KhawHeadShot.jpg Free Abdulkarim al-Khaiwani!
See Jane Novak's "Yemeni Watch" blog,
Armies of Liberation.
Free journalists and dissident bloggers, worldwide!

Some of My Homegirls— ERROR: http://rpc.blogrolling.com/display_raw.php?r=59e4b55f70f50de810150859b200a635 is currently inaccessible

My Amazon.com Wish List

• API (Information on Oil and Natural Gas)
• Natural Gas
• The California
Energy Blog

• The Alternative Energy Blog
(Solar, Wind, Geothermal, etc.)
• The Energy Revolution Blog
• Gas 2.0 Blog
• Popular Mechanics'
"Drive Green"

• Libertas
(now on hiatus, but they'll be back!) • Pajiba

Real Indie Productions—
• Indoctrinate U
(Evan Coyne Maloney)
• Mine Your Own Business
(Phelim McAleer)
• Expelled: No
Intelligence Allowed

(Ben Stein, Logan Craft,
Walt Ruloff, and John

Real Indie Production
and Distibution

• Moving Picture Institute


• First Installment: The Basic Story
• Hymers' History of Violence

• How Fun Is It To
Be Recruited Into Hymer's
Offbeat Church? Not Very.
• How I Lost My Virginity


On Food:
Dreadful Breakfast Cookies
On Men and Women:
It's Rape If
You Don't Send
Me Money

Women Talk Too Much;
I'll Date Dolphins

Men Are Kinky

Hot Cars,
Hot Girls

On Animation:
—the Commentary

On Religion:
Athiests and
Christians Talking
To Each Other

"Good grammar, and better gin."
—CalTech Girl
"I enjoy Little Miss Attila's essays."
—Venomous Kate
"Joy is good at catching flies with honey."
—Beth C
"Your position is ludicrous, and worthy of ridicule."
—Ace of Spades
—Suburban Blight


Teh Funny—
• Dave Burge
Interesting News Items

Civics Lessons—
Taranto on How a Bill Becomes Law

Editorial Resources—
• Better Editor
• Web on the Web
• Me me me me me! (miss.attila --AT-- gmail --dot-- com)
Cigar Jack

David Linden/
The Accidental Mind

Cognitive Daily

Rive Gauche—
Hip Nerd's Blog
K's Quest
Mr. Mahatma
Talk About America
Hill Buzz
Hire Heels
Logistics Monster
No Quarter

Food & Booze—
Just One Plate (L.A.)
Food Goat
A Full Belly
Salt Shaker
Serious Eats

Things You Should Do
(In the West)

Just One Plate (L.A.)

• Jalopnik
The Truth About Cars

SoCal News—
Foothill Cities

Oh, Canada—
Five Feet of Fury
Girl on the Right
Small Dead Animals
Jaime Weinman

Mary McCann,
The Bone Mama

(formerly in Phoenix, AZ;
now in Seattle, WA;
eclectic music)

Mike Church,
King Dude

(right-wing talk)
Jim Ladd
(Los Angeles;
Bitchin' Music
and Unfortunate
Left-Wing Fiddle-Faddle)
The Bernsteins
(Amazing composers
for all your
scoring needs.
Heh. I said,
"scoring needs.")

Iran, from an Islamic Point of View
and written in beautiful English—

Blogging Away Debt
Debt Kid
Debtors Anonymous
World Services

The Tightwad Gazette

Gentleman Pornographer

More o' Dat
Pop Culture—

Danny Barer
(Animation News) • Something Old,
Nothing New

(And yet more
Animation News)
Sam Plenty
(Cool New
Animation Site!)
The Bernsteins
(Wait. Did I mention
the Bernsteins
already? They're

Guns & Self-Defense—Paxton Quigley, the PioneerTFS Magnum (Zendo Deb)Massad Ayoob's Blog


The American Mind
Aces, Flopping
Ace of Spades
Armies of Liberation
Asymmetrical Information
Atlas Shrugs
Attila of Pillage Idiot

Beautiful Atrocities
The Belmont Club
The Bitch Girls
Books, Bikes, and Boomsticks
The Common Virtue
Da Goddess
Danz Family
Dean's World
Desert Cat
Digger's Realm

Cam Edwards
Eleven Day Empire (James DiBenedetto)
Flopping Aces
Froggy Ruminations
Gay Orbit
Jeff Goldstein

Mary Katherine Ham
At the D.C. Examiner
Hugh Hewitt
Hi. I'm Black.
Iberian Notes
The Irish Lass
In DC Journal
Infinite Monkeys
Intel Dump

Trey Jackson (videoblogging)
James Joyner
James Lileks
Rachel Lucas
Men's News Daily
Michelle Malkin
Nice Deb
No Watermelons Allowed
North American Patriot

On Tap
On the Fritz
On the Third Hand
Outside the Beltway

Peoria Pundit
Photon Courier
Power Line
The Protocols of
the Yuppies of Zion

Protein Wisdom

The Queen of All Evil
Questions and Observations
Right Wing News

Donald Sensing
Rusty Shackleford
The Shape of Days

Sharp as a Marble
Sheila A-Stray
Laurence Simon

Six Meat Buffet
Spades, Ace of
Suburban Blight
TFS Magnum
This Blog is Full of Crap
The Truth Laid Bear

Venomous Kate
The Volokh Conspiracy

Where is Raed?
Write Enough
You Big Mouth, You!


Support our troops; read the Milblogs!

Support a Blogger
at the LinkGrotto.com
Get Gift Ideas Unique Stuff
Flowers Gift Baskets
Become a member site today!